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Re: Re: FW: Europa-List: PFA Feedback

Subject: Re: Re: FW: Europa-List: PFA Feedback
From: Garry <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:48:20

Dear Mr. Newby,

Please add my name to the list of people (Europa Owners) who oppose any 
association of the PFA with Keith Wilson.  There's an old saying, that "we 
are known by the company we keep".   Mr. Wilson is a snake of the lowest 
order, and if the PFA associates with him, then....................

Garry Stout


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Europa-List: PFA Feedback


>
> One of the co-owners of Hotel india has just sent the following to Graham 
> Newby so, he is number 5 on the list of 2 - any more for any more?
>
>
> Dear Mr Newby,
>
> I would like to add my name to the list of people showing concern at the
> complete lack of respect for the Europa community.
>
> The argument that Mr Wilson is not paid for the pictures does not hold any
> water.  Are you saying you don't care of the origin
> of any pictures you use, as long as they are free ?  Are you saying you 
> are
> happy to rub salt into the wounds of the
> Europa community, because you've acquired some decent photos without cost 
> ?
>
> The PFA is there for it's members, and should be supporting it members, 
> not
> deploying this 'tough luck, they're free
> so we're going to use them' attitude, which quite frankly, stinks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael Bullen
> M<embership 035377
>
>
>>
>> From: <peter.rees05@ntlworld.com>
>> Date: 2005/05/26 Thu PM 12:04:02 GMT
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com,  graham.newby@pfa.org.uk
>> Subject: Re: FW: Europa-List: PFA Feedback
>>
>>
>> Mr Newby
>>
>> Following your reply to me yesterday on the matter, please put me as 
>> Number 4 on your list of people objecting to the use of Mr Wilsons 
>> photographs - as Alan says, just becasue they are free, you shouldn't 
>> insult your largest group of members by using them.
>>
>> Peter Rees
>>
>>
>> >
>> > From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>> > Date: 2005/05/26 Thu AM 11:23:55 GMT
>> > To: <graham.newby@pfa.org.uk>
>> > Subject: FW: Europa-List: PFA Feedback
>> >
>> > <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Mr Newby
>> >
>> > I have just received this copy of your response to Roger Sheridan, 
>> > which
>> > I must say surprises me greatly. I am amazed at your complete lack of
>> > understanding of the strength of feeling amongst the Europa family! May
>> > I firstly correct some of the points you made in your letter. Those
>> > "free" photo's you have been receiving over the years were in fact paid
>> > for by Europa, even the camera he used was purchased by Europa! At the
>> > time of a lot of the photo shoots he was being paid a substantial 
>> > salary
>> > by Europa, even the developing of the photo's was paid for by Europa!
>> > This man ran the company into the ground, despite offers of help  and
>> > warnings from many well qualified people, including myself, but he knew
>> > better and ignored all. The free work you speak of has been paid for by
>> > us the Europa owners and now you feel it acceptable to rub salt in our
>> > wounds by continuing to use his work for our association. I wonder who
>> > is paying for the present photo's..! Would you please inform me of the
>> > PFA's attitude to aerial photography Work taking place in permit
>> > aircraft, as this was how most of his photographs were produced. I 
>> > heard
>> > at the last PFA rally from members, that he was still taking deposits
>> > from people right up to the end, knowing he could not possibly deliver
>> > the goods. I'm sure others will come forward with more proof of this if
>> > it is needed. How clever would the PFA feel if Europa owners decided to
>> > make a real issue of this at the next agm which I am sure they will if
>> > this continues. It is not simply a "commercial matter" as you so 
>> > naively
>> > put it, but a matter of integrity. surely you have a duty to act in the
>> > best interests of your members? It also has to be in the associations
>> > best interests to  use people with high  moral standards and not simply
>> > "good photographers". This is our association and we expect it to be 
>> > run
>> > for our benefit in a proper manner and that does not include winding up
>> > the largest single group of owners within the PFA.  I would 
>> > respectfully
>> > suggest you take a look at the whole picture and not simply adopt an
>> > "its free so I'll take it" stance. Overall the PFA produces an 
>> > excellent
>> > publication, please don't spoil it by alienating your largest group of
>> > readers. As for the list containing only two names please add me to it
>> > making three!
>> >
>> > Alan Burrows
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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