Was there any resolution as to why, after G-BYSA 'landed' in the North Sea
coast and set-off its PLB, nobody ever came?I appreciate that most alerts (
particularly in a marine environment) are false alarms, but are alerts scre
ened in this way?
Duncan McF.
----Original Message----
From: davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk
Date: 02/11/2017 09:09
Subj: Re: Europa-List: Re: ELT
Raimo, Yes of course I have looked down on those very remote and rugged spa
ces in Finland and we do infact have some equally remote and unlandable pla
ces in the UK (try flying round all the remote Scottish islands), but it do
esn't alter the point that there are few landings where you are not either
dead or able to use a PLB. Two or three hundred euros invested in a Smartas
s is much more likely to save your life than a similar amount spent on an E
LT in addition to a PLB.
Much tempted by the idea of some more Aviation beer and Sauna in 2018. R
egards, David
PS We shouldn't really get into a 'Mine's bigger than yours' sort of argume
nt, but I find that it is around 620nm from t to bottom of Finland and 660n
m top to bottom of UK!
On 2017-11-01 21:09, Raimo Toivio wrote:
Dear David,
you are right as usually, but however, think about accident in the remote p
lace (and you have not launched your PLB),
ELT is your only hope (if you happen to be alive) . I do understand that i
t is not so easy to you to understand there are really unpopulated places i
n the world.
Like Finland. You have flown here a lot. Think.
Really, all the pilots are not flying in the Great Britain!!!
(which is a very little put populated - island somewhere).
For example Me, after not-so-succesfull landing to any remote private stri
p here with my monowheel.
To my home strips, where there are people available from hundreds of meter
s. They just look, maybe!!!
Raimo has left his aircraft there, and same time I am loosing maybe my lif
e! In that case, ELT were superb.
So far, I have had about 600 landings with my Mono, and still one prop (Ai
rMaster).
David, I=C2=B4m pretty sure You get it!
Go on! I know you can have your burst!
Or, maybe you need a real Finnish Sauna to get out your real Europa Mind?
***
About me /my status:
- my Europa OH-XRT is still not flyable but will be during early 2018 *
- my Lamco OH-U666 (a bushplane) is flyable now finally after my crash one
year ago
- my very Beloved Cesna OH-CVK (which I owned 1996-2012) is here back agai
n.
- my Antonov AN-2 HA-MDO is in Sweden, but it will be soon here.
David,
pls fly here duging The 2018 - the cows are away!
Just land EFRT 12/30 or 03/21 if you like so.
Raimo
OH-XRT
Finland
davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk kirjoitti 1.11.2017 klo 20:58:
Raimo, It's great to hear from you again! hope that your engine woes are so
rted and that we can look forward to more accounts of your fascinating flyi
ng exploits.
Although there is always great sense in what you say, in this context I
would take a slightly different approach. I would say there are two sorts o
f 'typical' - firstly the sort of accident where you walk away from it and
don't need much in the way of help - or if you do then you are in a state t
o work your mobile, or your PLB assuming you have landed in orderly fashion
either in mid ocean or in a remote part of Finland (and there is plenty of
that!). The other sort of typical is sadly the sort of accident you do not
walk away from and very few of those are survived with or without an ELT.
Sadly some 2% of us (i.e. GA pilots in general) die from stall/spin accide
nts, entirely unsurviveable. My plea would be for folk to address that poss
ibility more seriously. Prevention is the answer, not an ELT to get help mo
re quickly after the event. There are suggestions of how you can address th
is issue on the (beautiful new) club website in the 'Flying' section.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On 2017-11-01 18:29, Raimo Toivio wrote:
Hi Jon,
I do agree.
One more thing: PLB must be launched manually, but ELT should work automati
cally after your critical impact.
It=C2=B4s easy to imagine a situation where you have no time to switch on y
our PLB or you even forget to do it during your possible more or less panic
situation
(when trying to survive out from your disaster).
What=C2=B4s a typical accident? It=C2=B4s during take off or landing. If sh
it happens then, PLB is useless!
PLB is very nice when you happen to lose your engine in the high up altitud
e, or have made a succesfull emergency landing to the remote
(that=C2=B4s potential for me, here in Finland, which is practically empty
[wolves will not call emergency, they just eat you]).
I love my PLB also because I fly regularly over the sea between Finland and
Sweden. That flight is 1 hour over open seawater without islands.
Of course I fly high up using typically my very favourite FL69 (Swedish fem
ale ATC love my request to use it and that=C2=B4s why I have no Turbo),
but in the case of silence with my best glide ratio (1:17, w featherable VS
uperb AirMaster), I am able to glide say practically about 35 km in theory.
So, there is still a cap almost 200 km = 45 min when it=C2=B4s easy to mo
nitor your engine and listen strange sounds...
(in a real life I put my autopilot on and start to listen hi-fi music throu
gh my HS800 via B&O and usually sleep say half an hour).
I would like to say:
ELT is essential and PLB is a nice extra...
(isn=C2=B4t it strange that what older you are, that more you are thinking
things like that, should be vice versa...)
Cheers,
Raimo
Finland
OH-XRT
The fastest Europa ever build
(and only 4-seater)
italianjon kirjoitti 1.11.2017 klo 17:30:
Just to throw my thoughts on the ELT/PLB argument, as I have been debating
for a while on whether to get one. This information came from a VERY reliab
le source, someone who is involved in the SAR industry.
For the record I had just a PLB, but I now have both.
With an ELT action will always be taken, and it will be immediate, as they
have all information readily available through the registration authorities
. On a PLB, action will only be taken once it is a confirmed emergency.
I have to admit I thought my leg was being pulled until I saw the forms. On
the ELT registration form that I completed, I only completed my details, a
nd that was it. WIth the PLB form I had to complete the contact details of
three additional people who know my movements and can be contacted in the e
vent that the PLB is activated.
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