**This email is written without malice.**
"I really believed as did the whole world Peter=B4s 2nd one was really the
1000th.
KW was a market man but it is hard to accept it was not the 1000th."
It is absolutely *not* surprising. KW definitively lied to me directly
and deceived me on the phone less than 2 weeks before Europa went bankrupt
.
In my lay-person's opinion, KW should be serving jail time for his
wrong-doings, deceit, and unethical opportunism. Many people, and the brand
suffered as a result.
How one person was left to financially crush a company with a great product
is still beyond my comprehension.
I also wish the best for Swift - the Europa is still a very eloquent design
.
It was definitely way ahead of its time.
Cheers,
Pete
**This email is written without malice.**
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
> Ian
>
> that was shocking info!
>
> I really believed as did the whole world Peter=B4s 2nd one was really the
> 1000th.
> KW was a market man but it is hard to accept it was not the 1000th.
>
> I wish all the best for Swift (and for us, builders, operators and Europa
> owners).
>
> The Kit Planes article made good for us (thanks for Kim Prout!).
>
> The completed and well test flight Europa retail price: it should be arou
nd
> 80.000 - 120.000 euros when compareing for typical LSA-types.
>
> Our Europas are much much more than any LSAs as we well know!
>
> Please if you are forced to sell, ask more!
>
> You Englishmen - sell worldwide - not only inside your little island whic
h
> is full of all kind of flying items!
>
> We are the market!
>
> Terveisin, Raimo Toivio
>
> Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 +154 hrs (that is the one and only in the
> country so it must be the most valuable in the country)
>
> 37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4
> FINLAND
>
> p +358-3-3753 777
> f +358-3-3753 100
>
> toivio@fly.to
> www.rwm.fi
>
> *From:* G-IANI <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:31 PM
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: Europa News
>
> Raimo
>
>
> To the best of my knowledge the total number of Europa kits sold to date
is
> about 900. I worked out that Peter Kember=92s aircraft (which KW decided
to
> label the =931000th=94) was probably No 890.
>
> From 2004 to 2008 (when Swift took over) the total number of new kits sol
d
> was I believe 4.
>
>
> Since Swift took over I believe they have sold 2 and have orders for abou
t
> 3.
>
>
> As for the number flying this is harder to estimate. In the UK we have
> about 170 with permits. Worldwide your 300 is probably about right
>
>
> The price of a low hours (nearly new) built Europa has, for a number of
> year, been about the cost of the parts. Given that the buyer has to acce
pt
> the risk of discovering faults, damage this is not surprising. As the
> aircraft get older the price drops a little. You have to look very
> carefully at the details of the aircraft (Classic or XS, engine, paintwor
k,
> upholstery, avionics etc) to know if the price is fair.
>
>
> On day, when I have time, I would like to research these figures as part
of
> a =93History of Europa=94.
>
>
> Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
> Europa Club Mods Specialist
> e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
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