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Subject: Europa-List: stalls & spins
From: Graham Singleton <graham@gflight.f9.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 23:57:19

Hi All
I was greatly saddend to hear about Cliff Shaw's accident. His happened 
near the ground on approach; as most of you know I have some experience 
of Europa stall/spin, mine happened just after take off. In both cases 
spin recovery is impossible this close to the ground, indeed partial 
recovery may make things worse. You hit the ground harder.

 Pete Clarke tested the spins of the original Classic prototype, G-YURO 
extensively. One notable feature he found was that even after a twelve 
turn spin he could let go of the controls  and the aeroplane would 
recover in less than two turns.

There are many GA types that are designed to be almost spin proof, this 
is a mixed blessing because if it's hard to spin it will be just as hard 
to stop the spin when it occurs. The Yankee was notorious and there were 
several fatal accidents until intentional spinning during training was 
forbidden. Remember also that very few certified or homebuilt GA types 
had anything like the testing the Europa had. I remember Richard Trikle 
asking Pete Clarke if he'd test the Kiss. No American pilot was prepared 
to do it.

There are quite a few Classics that have a nasty wing drop flaps down. 
G-KWIP was one. We had removed the stall strips because we felt we 
needed the extra take off performance for farm strip flying. Ours was 
around 450 meters at the time. The trouble with the Classic wing is that 
it is not easy to finish the leading edge without degrading the very 
subtle leading edge shape, which has a slight bump underneath and a 
fairly sharp nose radius. Eventually, after much arm twisting, I got 
hold of  the coordinates of the airfoil and made some templates for the 
leading edge. These were used on several Classics, Charlie Laverty's, 
Tony Higgins' and Colin Smallwood's, I haven't heard from Tony re flying 
qualities but the other two have excellent stall characteristics and so 
does Trevor Jackson's, (kit no. 4!)
This illustrates the variability that Mike Parkin mentions.

Ivan did a lot of tuft testing trying to master the stalling 
characterisitics and found that as long as the stall starts at the 
leading edge it will be relatively progressive. However, sometimes the 
stall starts at the trailing edge and then the whole upper surface 
"unzips" and will cause a sharp wing drop. The stall strips help to make 
the stall start at the front and at the wing root. The sharp LE radius 
has a similar effect and I'm sure this is why some Classics are 
unpredictable ( too large LE radius) whereas most XSs, which have a jig 
moulded LE are relatively benign. (Not that I've flown many btw, so get 
a second opinion!) The XS also has more washout which helps keep the 
stall away from the tips.

Mike will have a much more valid opinion than me but I believe the 
sensible way to monitor airspeed is by angle of attack, the instrument 
tells that that your airspeed is going to change, you can correct the 
changed AoA instantly and speed won't change The ASI tells you at least 
20 seconds after it's changed which means you then have to regain 
momentum which will take another 20 seconds or more. Another advantage 
that correct AoA is not dependant on weight, so the figure for stall, 
cruise max range etc all remain constant.
my 2 cents
Graham

>From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btopenworld.com>
>Subject: Europa-List: Re Wing Drop in the Stall
>  
>
> Jos,
>
>I think that the original foam built wings are likely to vary slightly 
>more 
>in performance than the factory made wings purely  because of the nature 
>of 
>construction.  Profiling the wing is a laborious process and the end 
>result 
>is very much an 'eyeball dependent' operation.  I think it would be fair 
>to 
>say that the jig made factory wings are likely to produce a more 
>consistent 
>result.
>  The very nature of the 
>wing 
>seems to provide a useable amount of lift until the stall, at which 
>point 
>the loss of lift from the wing seems to be almost total.  Now if one 
>wing 
>stalls before the other it is conceivable that the aircraft might roll 
>on 
>its back.
>  
>



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