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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall spin characteristics
From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:07:01
Stall spin characteristicsNot to but in, but...
You fliers are doing a great job of what the problems of stall in the 
Europa are.  Basically, none.  Many thanks for good comments and 
techniques.

I have, like Bob, flown a number of different Europa's and stalled them 
all.  Side slips are pleasant using a foot full of rudder.  Keep the 
speed up at 1.3Vs if slipping is my rule.  Remember, someone cares if 
you are dead.

As for stalls:  Climb up about three mistakes high (3000 AGL)
Trim for pattern speed of about 80.  Put one finger on the front of the 
stick and line up with a cloud on the horizon.  Pull the power back and 
smoothly pull back attempting to hold altitude, and keep it pointed at 
the cloud.  The plane, if in the 60-61 inch CG when empty, properly 
built within .1 degree equal incidence and no droopy controls, will 
rumble slightly just prior to the stall, the nose will go up just a bit 
and then down, and bob up and down.  I don't even need the ball.  But it 
is nice to have a whiskey ball rather than one of those electric orange 
dots on an EFIS.

The laminar flow wing will bite you if you release the stick just a bit 
as the nose rises in the approach to the stall break, and you abruptly 
pull it right back.  Most laminar flow wing aircraft will drop a wing 
instantly as it is a deep stall of one wing.  This usually occurs when 
you have a death grip on the stick and can't feel a thing.  Relaxed, and 
paying attention to your duties, you feel the plane get light in the 
nose, and directional control starts to wander a tiny bit, and you can 
release pressure and maintain control.

Fully configured the rumble is less pronounced due to the flap burble 
and it can surprise the unaware pilot who attempts a slow speed abrupt 
maneuver.  The wing drop is pretty fast again, and you will achieve 90 
degrees in less than a 1/2 second.

Unload for control, and it instantly stops in any configuration.  Then 
recover.

The 40 hour fly off, as they fliers commented on, is to fine tune your 
aircraft and get its feel.  Stall strips depicted in the operators 
manual are excellent stall warnings.  So are electronic devices, but 
none as good as a well flown test series of stalls, slips and slow 
flight done at least 3 mistakes high to feel your aircraft.

I added vortex generators to my Classic which normally stalls at a 
Calibrated A/S of 55 at 1370 lbs.  Dead straight ahead stall.  With the 
VGs over the ailerons only, the plane wing rocks like a century series 
fighter and the burble is a pounding on the tail plane that is quite a 
wake up shake.  The wing rock is probably too much for a novice and 
could lead to an abrupt wing drop if he attempts to jamb in aileron to 
keep it level.
With VGs all along the LE of the wing  from the tip to two feet prior to 
the fuselage (so I can get my butt on the wing) the burble is quite 
pronounced (due to the clean root) and the stall is 46 Kts CAS clean at 
1320 lbs.  One problem with the VGs.  The plane feels so rock solid 
slow, that one can get complacent and find himself out of airspeed and 
ideas (falling with style). I prefer the stall strips neatly blended 
into the leading edge at the root as a nice reminder that I am not 
paying attention to job one, that is, flying the plane, as it is 
supposed to be, by the number in the book.  VGs work great but look like 
a bad hair day on the wing.  

New guys, there is no excuse:
Runway-airspeed are the two calls around the pattern.  Fly by the 
numbers.  If you have to be abrupt in moving the plane, go around and do 
it again.  If it doesn't look right, it isn't.  And there is no 
substitute for airspeed.  Practice in some ones well built Europa to get 
a feel.

If you have a short field and must get close to your stall margin, stay 
sharp, and be cautious.  If you don't feel like Steve Canyon that day, 
land somewhere else.  Don't slow down until you have the runway made.  
Don't force the plane on the ground.  Keep you energy up until crossing 
the fence, and allow for a slow speed bleed off into a slow flight 
attitude crossing the threshold and continue to hold it just an inch or 
two above the runway until it settles.   Better to land 300 feet down on 
speed than 15 hot at the threshold and bounce. Tail wheel guys just keep 
the stick back, rudder to stay straight and fly it to parking.

Most of the time I cruise the Europa with my hand off the stick and fly 
with my feet.  This is a great rudder airplane, a stable airplane, and 
has superb flight and stall characteristics.  If it is bent or crooked, 
we can help you straighten it out.

Like Ferg eluded to, the controller doesn't fly your plane.  Don't let 
them put you into a position you are not comfortable with.  If the 
controllers get mad, buy them a cup of coffee and and tell them you are 
alive, and that was more important than stalling and crashing at the 
time.  Know your plane and your limits.

Airspeed is life.
Bud

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Fergus Kyle<mailto:VE3LVO@rac.ca> 
  To: 5EUROPALIST <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:21 PM
  Subject: Europa-List: Stall spin characteristics


  William:

  ".  It seems likely that Cliff Shaw's accident was a result of this 
abrupt spin stall characteristic in landing configuration.  I have a 
rule (though not unique), "never skid a turn", keeping a nice margin 
above stall.  It seems that the Europa (and probably all super clean 
planes, for instance the Cirrus), have a propensity to severe stall spin 
in landing configuration.  "

          I am tempted to agree with much of what you say. It has been 
my contention that Oshkosh makles demands with which that many junior 
pilots shouldn't comply.  One of these is a short final with multi bank 
when the authority calls for a wing-wag when inside rudder is correcting 
for runway centreline. There's the critical inside rudder/inside bank 
pair which prompts the inner wing stall.  From there on down is 
mathematical.

  Know your plane,

  Cheers

   ferg

  Ps: Rudder OFF first before aileron..............


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