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Re: Europa-List: Re : IFR certification

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re : IFR certification
From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:01:02
Great write-up Paul, thx!

Question, why not leave the gear up till minimums to keep the speed up?

> On Jun 16, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
 wrote:
> 
> =EF=BB
> Hi John,
> 
> I hope you don't mind me offering a counter opinion. I didn't find my Euro
pa a very good IFR platform.  It was okay but I always maintained high perso
nal minimum, 600' on the ILS and 800' for non precision approaches.  I live i
n the mid west of the US and icing was always a concern. While one should ne
ver fly into know icing conditions I had inadvertently picked up ice  in oth
er aircraft I have flown and although concerning the aircraft performed well
 enough to land it. Even then I new that all that had happened was "I got aw
ay with it"
> 
> I did catch a small skim of ice on the Europa once and the aircraft immedi
ately lost 20 knots and I was worried that it would just quit flying there a
nd then!  A flapless landing in a mono isn't possible and I was really (real
ly) nervous lowing the gear.  I know we can all say that we should avoid ici
ng conditions but I encountered unforcasted ice many times.  Over the years I
 got smarter at figuring out potential or possible conditions but I could ne
ver get comfortable.  The other challenge is that its slow approach speed is
n't an advantage for instrument approaches. You feel like you are hanging ou
t on the ILS forever in wet moist clouds.
> 
> I haven't flown my aircraft for some time but in latter years all my IFR f
lying was in VFR conditions. It is nice to be able to fly away from somewher
e crummy to somewhere nice, and I find the National Aerospace System (NAS) a
 delight to use.
> 
> Just my 2 cents worth, and as they say "Your mileage may vary"
> 
> Cheers, Paul
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 10:24 AM John Wigney <johnwigney@windstream.net> w
rote:
>> Hi Jeff, 
>> 
>> There is a good link on this subject at https://www.eaa.org/eaa/aircraft-
building/intro-to-aircraft-building/frequently-asked-questions/equipping-a-h
omebuilt-for-ifr-operations
>> 
>> I am not an IFR pilot but I have done 40 plus hours of training in my mon
owheel. My instructor was very happy with the plane and called it "a good IFR
 platform". I chose not to take the check ride as I decided not to fly singl
e pilot IFR. A major reason for that is that I found the plane to be fairly n
eutral on heading and I was not happy to find myself 10 to 15 degrees off co
urse if I groped around in the back for something. I have now fitted a headi
ng autopilot driven by my Dynon D10A which works very well following the pin
k line on my Garmin 430 so that addresses that primary concern. I really hav
e no need for IFR and am happy to leave it that way.
>> 
>> Anyway, I am not aware of any certification requirement apart from an ent
ry in the logbook regarding compliance with  14 CFR Part 91, section 91.205.

>> 
>> Cheers, John
>> 
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>> 
>> From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net> 
>> 
>> Subject: Europa-List: IFR certification Good morning all, I'm wondering i
f someone out there has any information on certifying the Europa for IFR fli
ght (in the USA). Is there a statement in the operating limitations that mig
ht mention this? I've a person interested in my bird who is asking about it.
 Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You,
>> 
>> -- Jeff


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