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Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out -horror
From: Brian Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:22:40
Am I missing something here?  If you have a door warning circuit that 
brings a red light on when the door is open why do you need a test 
circuit?


Standard check on ground- 

Door open, red light on 

Door closed, red light out


Surely you have just done a light test ?


Regards


Brian Davies


From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly
Sent: 02 October 2014 23:10
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out 
-horror


Tony,

Just make sure you have a push to test as "no light" doesn't tell the 
whole story.  It's just test cirucuit and extra wire.  I can build a 
door in the time it would take to lead you through how to do it fail 
safe with proper door plunger switches that are adjustable.


I just saw something the other day.  A strap of line attached to the 
door handle so his wife could pull the door down.  It was a lovely 
decorative line, worthy of any draperies.  Too bad it catches your hand 
anytime you reach your hand forward or aft.  I guess his wife does not 
touch the controls or move when she is in the plane.  He had no door 
guards either.  


I'll just push on the door in the center after closing.  If you push 
firmly, you will assure a latched door or see it move.


Regards,

Bud

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony Renshaw <mailto:tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>  


Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 5:40 PM

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: In flight noticed the rear door pin out 
-horror


Hi Max,

 Rather than 2 green door lights continually on, my intention is to have 
a single circuit through both shoot bolt switches, and if either isn't 
closed, the door and the circuit, a red light stays on, or inflight 
comes on. That way, my panel has no lights unless something is wrong.

Tony R.

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On 3 Oct 2014, at 2:31 am, Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> wrote:


On Oct 2, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Max Cointe (Free) <mcointe@free.fr> wrote:


but if you want some cheap insurance too put a switch on each of the 
rear

shoot bolts that puts a ground on a bright red LED directly in front of 
you
on the panel...
And then install a test button to verify that the leds are still alive.
Complicate cabling AND checklist.


With thanks to Raimo Toivio for the design and components, I have 
mounted two robust pressure switches which will give me two lit green 
LEDs on the panel when the rear shoot bolts for the two doors are 
engagedno need for test button to ensure system is 
operationalreally quite simpleI=99ve also fabbed 
tabs on both doors which are located so that pilot can reach to ensure 
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