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Subject: Re: Re: Europa-List: Re: SV: Running too cool, considering blocking some
From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:50:05
Good for blocking the air bypassing, but we need a flap to actually stop 
the air going to or from the cooler to warm up the oil.
Bud
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  From: mau11<mailto:mau11@free.fr> 
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  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:54 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: Europa-List: Re: SV: Running too cool, considering 
blocking some of intake


  Hi Bud I send to you a drawing of my Coolers flap.
  Michel AUVRAY
  Builder 145


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  From: Bud Yerly<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
  Date: 2012-11-25 22:49
  To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
  Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: SV: Running too cool, considering 
blocking some of intake
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  According to Rotax there is not a technical minimum cylinder temp but 
I agree that we know that a warmer cylinder will be more efficient and 
the crankcase and gearbox will not harbor water in the case.

  The oil thermostat is one way to get up the oil temp.  I have tried to 
make  a simple rear flap to close up the back but you would not believe 
the pressure coming out of the rear of those radiators and the duct 
suction pulling on the other side of the flap.  A moveable cowl flap 
will work, but then we're talking repaint of the cowl.  So how do we get 
the glycol temp up?  Tape over 1/3 of the glycol cooler is a start.   
Next is making a removable metal air dam in front of the glycol cooler, 
but that is not adjustable.  So what is needed is an adjustable flap 
that can be set from the cockpit for those warmer winter days, spring 
and fall operations or high altitude cruise operations. 

  Those adjustable slotted cooler shutters are a solution.  Unless you 
need every bit of cooling air in the summer like I do here in Florida.

  Mark Ferkin of High wing LLC (Kitfox guy of fame) makes a shutter for 
the Rotax coolers.  It doesn't work well for our setup but the concept 
works.
  Van's aircraft has the slotted flap as addressed above and used on 
other Northern Europa's but it does block the air needed for summer 
options.

  For oil cooling, I have installed the oil thermostat and it is very 
convenient and automatic so I'm waiting for it to fail...

  I really have only one idea for a moveable Europa style XS coolers 
with a two inch drop of the oil cooler.  If you have one of my cockpit 
heaters be sure to leave a cutout for the heater or the cockpit heat 
gets shut off.  See below:

  Regards,
  Bud Yerly


        
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        I really thought this would work but the force to hold the flap 
shut against the air outflow from the coolers (and draw of the cowl 
ramp) is considerable for a hinged flap at the leading edge. 


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    From: graeme bird<mailto:graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> 
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    Subject: Europa-List: Re: SV: Running too cool, considering blocking 
some of intake


<graeme@gdbmk.co.uk<mailto:graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>>

    Thats very neat,  thanks. I am wondering though if its really a 
problem to be running at 80deg. I tend to get higher temps initially at 
take off which would get rid of condensation etc. What happens when the 
engine is running warmer? I cant see any particular reference in the 
Rotax manual.

    I guess I could just tape over half of it with aluminium tape and 
see for now.

    --------
    Graeme Bird
    G-UMPY
    Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
    Newby: 45 hours  
    g@gdbmk.co.uk


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