FWIW during my flight training a portion of it was done in two different
Piper Tomahawk's
they both flew nicely, but one, in the stall if you held off the stall long
enough,
had tendancy to almost go inverted, this was with wings level according to
the ball, it always
broke left, even when dual. So as others have suggested IMHO the only way to
know is to fly it and try it for yourself.
craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Carl
Pattinson
Sent: Saturday, 6 September 2008 7:34 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Classic stall characteristics
<carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
I guess I didnt really answer your real question - can you tell a "wing
dropper" by looking at the aircraft and the answer is no.
You could check the washout with a digital level but there are so many
variables (eg: the flaps) that I doubt you could reach a meaningful
conclusion. If the aircraft is fitted with stall strips it might suggest
that there was a tendency to drop a wing (before the strips were fitted).
BTW many commercial aircraft have stall strips fitted - the problem isnt
just limited to homebuilds.
The only reliable way is to test fly the aircraft with an experienced Europa
pilot.
A word of caution regarding stalling with the wings level. We discovered on
our aircraft that the instrument panel wasnt put in straight - ie: aligned/
level with the wings. If the aircraft is stalled with reference to the
instruments (ie: turn & slip) it drops a wing because the aircraft isnt 100%
level !!!. Till we realised what the problem was, we always wondered why
the ball wasnt in the centre.
The fact is many Europa panels arent level - I suspect its a common problem
with homebuilds.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: "zwakie" <mz@cariama.nl>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:41 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Classic stall characteristics
>
> As announced in my first posting here from two weeks ago, I am looking to
> buy a Tri-Gear, and as it happens I have my eye on a Classic Monowheel
> that was converted into a Tri-Gear back in 1998.
>
> Reading this forum and from talking to a couple of Europa owners/builders,
> I've come to learn that some Classics have a really nasty wing-drop when
> stalling. It's my understanding that this is mainly because when building
> the Classic wings, it is near to impossible to produce port and starboard
> wings to be 100% symmetrical (if there are any other reasons, I would love
> to hear them too of course!).
>
> Since I don't want a plane that has a nasty wing-drop, I was wondering:
> except for flying the plane and performing numerous stalls at a really
> safe altitude in different configs, are there other ways to find out if a
> specific Classic might have a nasty wing-drop when stalling?
> And: will such wing-drops always manifest when doing stalls, or is it just
> every now and again?
>
> Being a novice in this area, I f.i. could imagine that a heavy wing in
> cruise and level, the presence of an aileron-trim, the absence of
> stall-strips or a tendency to yaw in straight and level might be 'indirect
> indicators'. Or is this way of thinking a stupid one?
>
> Any tip or trick to identify a plane with a nasty wing-drop is welcome!
>
> Marcel
>
> (PS: no need to talk about speed here, I am fully aware that flying well
> above stall-speeds in a coordinated matter is a sensible thing to do
> :wink:)
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
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