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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa safety and the LAA
From: josok <josoke@ukolo.fi>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 17:09:32

[quote:64771ad5e2="carl at flyers.freeser..."]
This comment verges on slander - sorry but I cant put it any other way. I am 
sure
you didn't intend it but that's how it comes across. My initial reaction is
where is your evidence of a culture of cover ups. Most PFA inspectors take their
roles very seriously and there is no reason whatsoever to suggest that the
annual inspection was in any way sub standard (this seems to be what your 
comment
implies).

[/quote:64771ad5e2]
It's not the first time that i have to apologize for speaking the language, but
not being able to pack the words to a sociable acceptable level. I should also
have explained here that i like to simplify things to the black box theory.
What's going in and what's coming out. In the inspection box goes an excellent
airplane, well maintained, well flown. Out comes a plane that disintegrates in
mid-air. That justifies the conclusion that the inspection box, is not working
as it should. Please, bear with me, this is not an attempt to blame one 
inspection
or one inspector. The real question is what can we do to improve the standard
of the inspection during the build, after the build, and during the lifetime
of the airframe.

As i said before, in the little exposure i have had to PFA builds, i have been
pointed by re-builders to inspected and signed of parts and planes that should
have been rejected. Some people who know me will nod their head now, in silence.
That as an explanation for  my wondering about the keeping silent about clear
mistakes. 
[quote:64771ad5e2]
I cannot believe you are unaware of Mods 73 and 74 (and the grounding/ 
restrictions imposed on the entire Europa fleet) . Hardly what I would 
describe as keeping problems under the table. As regards the Europa fleet the 
PFA
has a list of potential problems/ issues which inspectors should pay particular
attention to whan carrying out inspections.
[/quote:64771ad5e2]
I cannot believe that that list of potential problems/issues that the inspectors
have is not publicly available. Or did i miss it? This could be the kind of
information that could save lives in other countries, where the safety of the
aircraft is primarily in the hand of the owners. Are the results of build- and
yearly inspections (de-personalized) in any form available? Again, this would
be a very useful tool to have.
[quote:64771ad5e2]
It is interesting to note that you say LANDING with the tab disconnected. 
This dosent usually occurr unless you TAKE OFF  with them disconnected 
(which I have done !!!). There have been no reports I am aware of that have ever
described this happening in flight (ie: disconnection). As has been stated in
the report even if they had been disconnected this would not have made the 
aircraft
uncontrollable.
[/quote:64771ad5e2]
Thanks for this knowledge. So far i had assumed that without the control tabs 
connected
the plane would not be flyable, hence not be able to land. Little additions
to the knowledge base like this make the trouble of reading and writing
here worth while. Now back to the unanswered questions: If a trim tab pin would
have rested on the T bar, and would during the flight drop past it, inducing
a Pilot Induced Oscillation,  be able to start the disaster?

Regards,

Jos Okhuijsen


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