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Re: Transponder Aerial Location

Subject: Re: Transponder Aerial Location
From: James H. Nelson <europajim@juno.com>
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:15:45
Yes!
        Be sure it has a proper sized ground plane to operate on
(height of antenna = radius of ground plane.  I used three wooden dowels
to mount the ground plane disk to the back lower fuselage.)  This way the
cable comes out the top and then runs to the transponder.


                                                                         
              Jim


> I know this is going to sound less than brilliant, but do I have to 
> mount the
> transponder antenna with the ball end down?
> 
> Cleve Lee
> A198 Mono XS
> 
> On Tue, 30 April 2002, Fred Fillinger wrote
> 
> > 
> > Brian Tarmar wrote:
> > 
> > > Having reached the stage of planning cable routes which separate 
> as much as
> > > possible power from feeders, can I mount the transponder 
> aerial/antenna in an
> > > outer underseat stowage?  Either totally within the airframe or 
> protruding.
> > > 
> > > I believe this position offers the shortest cable run (in line 
> with design
> > > requirements) and keeps costs down if the more expensive RG400 
> co-axial
> > > is to be used.
> > 
> > Shortest cable run is a very important factor.  Typical for RG-142 
> and
> > RG-400 is about .14db/foot loss at 1,000 mHz.  So 5 feet means 
> about
> > 15% loss; 10 feet - 28% loss; worst-case 20 feet for way back in 
> tail
> > - whopping 48%.  Garden variety RG-58 is much worse and is for 
> VHF.
> > 
> > > I hear tales of "frying the family jewels" with RF (perhaps
> > > the aerial should go under the passenger seat!) and blanking by 
> the engine
> > > when the interrogating station is ahead.  Your thoughts please.
> > 
> > Old wives' tale I believe.  The duty cycle of transponder replies 
> at
> > 1/second is about .0008%, or 2 milliwatts for average radiated 
> power
> > from a 250W box.  A 900 mHz cordless phone puts out much more 
> than
> > that - continuous duty cycle, and they allow it to be about 1 
> inch
> > from our brain. A foot or two distance for xponder is certainly 
> safe.
> > 
> > A big factor is whether there are people or large metal objects
> > between the antenna and ATC's beacon antenna.  IOW, draw an 
> imaginary
> > line about 2-deg. downward from proposed location through the 
> front of
> > the A/C in flight attitude.  Should be clear of big metal or 
> people,
> > so mounting a 1/4 wave stub antenna through the fuse bottom 
> at/near
> > the lowest part is best.  Drag is minuscule.
> > 
> > Thus the installation can be a matter of compromising convenient
> > location and coax loss.  It is possible to get satisfactory 
> results
> > with setups that don't look good on paper, but here FAA requires 
> only
> > 70 watts for low altitudes, and if you have 200W out the back of 
> the
> > box, some coax loss and absorbers in the line of sight (RF will 
> bend
> > around them if not too close) means it may still work well.
> > 
> > I'm not concerned about coax distance from power wiring; just 
> don't
> > bundle.  Shielding is 98% effective, and xponder freq too high to 
> be
> > bothered by the weak harmonics of audio frequency noise in power
> > wiring, unless maybe inductively coupled via wire bundling.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Fred F.
> > 
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