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Re: Re: FW: Europa-List: PFA Feedback

Subject: Re: Re: FW: Europa-List: PFA Feedback
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:48:20

Dear Mr. Newby,

Please add my name to the list of people (Europa Owners) who oppose any 
association of the PFA with Keith Wilson.  There's an old saying, that "we 
are known by the company we keep".   Mr. Wilson is a snake of the lowest 
order, and if the PFA associates with him, then....................

Garry Stout


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <peter.rees05@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Europa-List: PFA Feedback



One of the co-owners of Hotel india has just sent the following to Graham 
Newby so, he is number 5 on the list of 2 - any more for any more?


Dear Mr Newby,

I would like to add my name to the list of people showing concern at the
complete lack of respect for the Europa community.

The argument that Mr Wilson is not paid for the pictures does not hold any
water.  Are you saying you don't care of the origin
of any pictures you use, as long as they are free ?  Are you saying you 
are
happy to rub salt into the wounds of the
Europa community, because you've acquired some decent photos without cost 
?

The PFA is there for it's members, and should be supporting it members, 
not
deploying this 'tough luck, they're free
so we're going to use them' attitude, which quite frankly, stinks.

Regards,

Michael Bullen
M<embership 035377



From: <peter.rees05@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2005/05/26 Thu PM 12:04:02 GMT
To: europa-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx,  graham.newby@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: FW: Europa-List: PFA Feedback


Mr Newby

Following your reply to me yesterday on the matter, please put me as 
Number 4 on your list of people objecting to the use of Mr Wilsons 
photographs - as Alan says, just becasue they are free, you shouldn't 
insult your largest group of members by using them.

Peter Rees



From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2005/05/26 Thu AM 11:23:55 GMT
To: <graham.newby@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: FW: Europa-List: PFA Feedback

<alan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


Dear Mr Newby

I have just received this copy of your response to Roger Sheridan, 
which
I must say surprises me greatly. I am amazed at your complete lack of
understanding of the strength of feeling amongst the Europa family! May
I firstly correct some of the points you made in your letter. Those
"free" photo's you have been receiving over the years were in fact paid
for by Europa, even the camera he used was purchased by Europa! At the
time of a lot of the photo shoots he was being paid a substantial 
salary
by Europa, even the developing of the photo's was paid for by Europa!
This man ran the company into the ground, despite offers of help  and
warnings from many well qualified people, including myself, but he knew
better and ignored all. The free work you speak of has been paid for by
us the Europa owners and now you feel it acceptable to rub salt in our
wounds by continuing to use his work for our association. I wonder who
is paying for the present photo's..! Would you please inform me of the
PFA's attitude to aerial photography Work taking place in permit
aircraft, as this was how most of his photographs were produced. I 
heard
at the last PFA rally from members, that he was still taking deposits
from people right up to the end, knowing he could not possibly deliver
the goods. I'm sure others will come forward with more proof of this if
it is needed. How clever would the PFA feel if Europa owners decided to
make a real issue of this at the next agm which I am sure they will if
this continues. It is not simply a "commercial matter" as you so 
naively
put it, but a matter of integrity. surely you have a duty to act in the
best interests of your members? It also has to be in the associations
best interests to  use people with high  moral standards and not simply
"good photographers". This is our association and we expect it to be 
run
for our benefit in a proper manner and that does not include winding up
the largest single group of owners within the PFA.  I would 
respectfully
suggest you take a look at the whole picture and not simply adopt an
"its free so I'll take it" stance. Overall the PFA produces an 
excellent
publication, please don't spoil it by alienating your largest group of
readers. As for the list containing only two names please add me to it
making three!

Alan Burrows








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