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Subject: RE: Europa-List: Any suggestions for pockets with painted interior?
From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2023 15:39:01 +0000
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Hi Ron,

It is always prudent to design in storage for a small cockpit.

With a mono, a map case is very difficult but there are ways around it.



A pocket can be made by simply laying up three to four layers of glass to make 
a roughly conformal plate for your center tunnel or fuselage side pocket area.  
I would make a two layer and trap fabric between each glass layer then glue it 
together and mount it.  The stitching in of a pocket to the glass after 
painting and fussing over the attachment (glue works best) is always a test of 
your craftsmanship.  Never use a fastener that extends into the cockpit near 
your legs as in the event of an accident it can rip you wide open.  Keep the 
inside pockets and other doo dads clear of your body parts.  I personally don’t 
make hard fiberglass pockets or slots because of leg interference also.



The same sewn pocket can be done with the instrument panel top surface.  Of 
course, that is a matter of taste, but a couple of slots in a molded or fabric 
piece across the glare shield can be useful and very easy to grab in flight.  
Be sure to add grommets to secure the thing from sliding around.  (Nothing is 
quick and fast.)



Other things to plan (which I think you have already done):



Make a spot out of plexiglass for your registration (as it must be displayed) I 
put mine behind the pilot on the fuselage.  On other aircraft I put it on the 
fuel neck cover.

Although the headrests are open many times, they are not good for charts or 
even good access.



I fly with chart backup when flying cross country and my map case comes in 
handy, but for your mono it’s a bit too hard to do that.



In the early F-4 and A-7 our parachute shops made a leather panel top cover 
with two pockets just map sized that fastened on the instrument glare shield 
for the maps as there was no storage for the pilot other than our G suit.  On 
later models they did away with this for some reason.  Probably because we wore 
G suits, and they made the pockets larger for just this sort of thing.



Today we have cargo pants and some of these pants have large pockets on the 
lower leg. ( I’ve even seen some vests that are quite good looking and may be 
useful but too hot to wear for Florida.) These cargo pants pockets were handy 
for me for quick in-flight map grabs from my G suit but in Florida I wear 
shorts 10 months out of the year so pockets in the plane cockpit on the tunnel 
was necessary for me.  I keep my checklist there with spare pencils and paper 
if needed.  Although I have the capability for putting the checklist in my EFIS 
and Phone, I find using the electronic checklist to be tedious.

Even with a painted cockpit, it is not cost prohibitive to have an upholsterer 
make a cover for your center console sides and put in pockets.  Lay it out in 
paper for him because the XS cockpit is rather odd shaped, and he can pattern 
from that.  It won’t be cheap, but with a couple of grommets or simply fabric 
glue (3M 77 or similar strong contact cement) it will stick the saddle type 
cover on for years and be handy..



I got tired of the scratches in my tray on the pax side because guys would 
throw their keys and other pocket contents into the tray area scratching it all 
up.  That was a pain.  I ended up molding in an insert to make it easy to keep 
nice looking.  I also put in a pylon with a Ram mount for holding phones/iPad 
etc.  Maybe I should have made the tray with some fabric so I wouldn’t have to 
repaint it.  (Later!)



Since maps are now so passe, and we have electronic doo dads to fly with, I 
made a phone holder for the console to keep my android phone with my mapping 
program, and other info.  Anything else I need to fly with or consult for 
planning is in my phone (except my checklist).  Many use a small tablet or iPad 
mini for this also.  I have files on the phone for everything:  Mx mapping 
program (Avare), Flight Planning info and prep, plus all the repair manuals, 
personal medical, insurance, registration, my custom repair and mx items 
specific to my plane, my building info (panel wiring, engine mx, mods, and 
field repair info just in case) and all of it in the tablet/phone so stuff in 
the cockpit is now cut down to where even I fly in a near paperless cockpit.  
(Although I still have a kneeboard, pencil, and paper on my leg as I don't go 
heads down to punch buttons or try to select/deselect on computers which I 
think is really annoying while flying.  As you have seen, I have a personal 
Europa checklist to fly with that is laminated and a cockpit pocket to keep 
handy is a necessity for me.)



Keep in mind, any tablet will suck your head and hands away from job 1 of 
flying the plane which means getting you off course, altitude and perhaps even 
in an unusual attitude when inputting or searching for data.  Without an 
autopilot I find these cockpit devices actually add to the cockpit workload.  
Plus, with my CRS, I have to look at the NAV computer manual to figure out how 
to put in that dammed extra nav point while flying.  I’ve had to add the 
procedure to my in-flight checklist.  (That is when grabbing the chart and 
finger plotting a basic heading is nice (VFR Flying of course)).  To remedy 
that CRS issue, I should fly cross country more also.



Enjoy your building,



Bud Yerly





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Hi Group



Happy Holidays to all!



We're in process of painting interior of our XS Mono.



Any suggestions for install of desirable pockets or pouches?



Thx.

Ron P.









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