Dear All, regrettably I experienced a ground loop in my Classic
taildragger. The undercarriage and prop were damaged. Can anyone help
with the replacement of the Airmaster prop. Thanks Jim Kelly G-BWEG.
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> 1. 03:05 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (GTH)
> 2. 04:39 AM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is
> cold. (Area-51)
> 3. 08:28 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (Martin Tuck)
> 4. 09:45 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (Paul Mansfield)
> 5. 10:46 AM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is
> cold. (dmac7)
> 6. 11:37 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (William Daniell)
> 7. 11:40 AM - Re: MT04 Engine mounts (William Daniell)
> 8. 11:48 AM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (GTH)
> 9. 12:40 PM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (MIKE CHRISTINE DUANE)
> 10. 06:44 PM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is
> cold. (n7188u)
> 11. 06:58 PM - Re: No charge lamp stays on (Martin Tuck)
> 12. 07:09 PM - Anyone need a McMaster Carr Catalog? (rparigoris)
> 13. 07:48 PM - Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is
> cold. (Area-51)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
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> Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on
> From: GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr>
>
> Le 14/02/2023 03:26, Martin Tuck a crit:
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > Started my 912UL today (first time for 2-3 months) and it started
> > first time! However, I noticed that the 12V 'no-charge' lamp
> > (connected to the rectifier pins L and C) remained illuminated
> > indicating no charge.
> >
> > I ran the engine a while to get it up to temp but the lamp stayed on
> > and after shut down my battery voltage had dropped below 11.5V. so it
> > is definitely is not being charged.
> >
> > I'm sure it could be a number of things from a dodgy rectifier to
> > issues with the alternator.
> >
> > Any pointers as to what to look first at would be appreciated. /
>
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then perform
> a serious check of the wiring and connections.
>
> Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect /anything
> /since last time you ran the engine with no issues?
>
> --
> Best regards
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
> http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
>
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> Subject: Europa-List: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is
> cold.
> From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
>
>
> Checking O2 levels without drilling holes in exhaust systems; see pics...
> That's
> how its done.
>
> Strap the tail wheel securely to a pole or pickup truck's tow hitch and
> run WOT
> at engine operating temps.
>
> I've had my 80hp idle smooth at 600rpm while setting idle mixtures and
> balancing
> carbis.. the 100hp will probably tick over nicely at 1000rpm without a fuss
> during tuning... Anything below 500rpm on either spec engine will see the
> ignition
> modules shut down.
>
> Once tuning is set it won't have any reason to alter; check it at each
> 100hr or
> annual if desired.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510165#510165
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> From: Martin Tuck <mjktuck@cs.com>
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> ________________________________ Message 5
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is
> cold.
> From: "dmac7" <dmac7@outlook.com>
>
>
> Hello Chris, that was a interesting video you shared, years ago I drag
> raced a
> mildly modified '70 Ford Mustang 351C engine, I didn't have a oxygen
> sensor I
> used the time and speed to tell me how to jet the carb (mostly the speed).
>
> I was running Shell V'Power and I tried 100LL avgas which slowed me down
> actually,
> puzzled I tested the specific gravity of both fuel types...big difference.
> 100LL is always .72 but auto fuel changes greatly seasonally. The summer
> Shell
> VPower was .82 giving much richer mixture, in winter I tested Shell VPower
> and it was .75.
> The lesson is, if winter fuel has a lighter specific gravity it will give
> you a
> leaner mixture than what you had in summer. Fuel density matters too
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510168#510168
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on
>
> I had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light system in
> the Ducati regulator is very primitive and not to pay attention. A
> reliable voltmeter is required.
> Eventually my charge light went out by itself. The battery charged just
> fine while it was on.
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +1 786 878 0246
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:46 PM Paul Mansfield <europaul383@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Which video Martin (link or vid ref number)?
> >
> > I thought I'd watched them all, but don't recall one on Reg/Rec or
> > charging troubleshooting...!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Paul M
> > G-PLPM
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Martin Tuck <mjktuck@cs.com>
> > Date: 14/02/2023 16:30 (GMT+00:00)
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on
> >
> > Thanks Giles,
> >
> > I haven=99t done anything to the aircraft since the last time I fle
> w and all
> > seemed well then. I found a good video on troubleshooting the system on t
> he
> > Rotax Owners site so I=99ll be looking to perform those checks and
> see what
> > might be going on.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 14, 2023, at 5:07 AM, GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB
> > Le 14/02/2023 ?? 03:26, Martin Tuck a ??crit??:
> >
> >
> > <MJKTuck@cs.com> Hi Folks, <Charge lamp issue>*
> >
> >
> > Hi Martin,
> >
> > I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then perform a
> > serious check of the wiring and connections.
> >
> > Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect *anything *
> > since last time you ran the engine with no issues?
> > --
> > Best regards
> > Gilles
> > http://contrails.free.fr
> > <https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcont
> rails.free.fr%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8ea3591876ba4f2447af08db0ea8cabc%7C84d
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> reserved=0>
> > http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
> > <https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flapi
> erre.skunkworks.free.fr%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C8ea3591876ba4f2447af08db0ea8
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> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: MT04 Engine mounts
>
> Pete
> How much did you shorten the spacers?
> Will
> William Daniell
> LONGPORT
> +1 786 878 0246
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 5:57 PM Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
>
> > I love my lords.waaaay quieter than the old europa rubbers,
> >
> > Cheers,
> > PeteZ
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2023, at 5:08 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB
> >
> > Re the motor mounts:
> >
> >
> > Engine Rubber Isolation Mounts:
> >
> > 1. Europa Rotax Mount MT04 hard mount.
> >
> > Alternate isolation mount:
> >
> > 1. A/C Spruce Part# 08-00662 but not sure of how firm the
> > rubber is.
> >
> > MFR Model # SET OF 8 About $50 plus shipping/tax
> >
> > 2. Lockwood 860-690 is really expensive $30 each. Just a Lord
> > Mount J3608-1
> >
> >
> > Bud Yerly
> >
> > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com <
> > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> *On Behalf Of *Paul McAllister
> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 11, 2023 3:59 PM
> > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Europa-List: MT04 Engine mounts
> >
> >
> > Hi, is anyone aware of a US supplier for the MT04 engine mounts or is
> > Europa the only source. - Paul
> >
> >
>
> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on
> From: GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr>
>
> Le 14/02/2023 20:36, William Daniell a crit:
> > I had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light system
> > in theDucati regulatoris veryprimitive and not to pay attention.
> > A reliable voltmeter is required.
> > Eventuallymy charge light went out by itself. Thebattery charged
> > just fine while it was on.
>
>
> William and all,
>
> Agreed.
>
> First measure actual voltages.
>
> Yes Bob Nuckolls on http://www.aeroelectric.com/ and on the 'List is key.
>
> --
> Best regards
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
> http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
>
> ________________________________ Message 9
> _____________________________________
>
>
> From: MIKE CHRISTINE DUANE <duanefamly@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on
>
> I would imagine you can tell if it=99s operating properly if your pane
> l voltage reading prior to start is about 12.5volts and with engine
> running (
> charging system working properly) you should see about 14.8volts.
>
> Mike Duane N377EA
> Europa XS Conventional Gear
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 14, 2023, at 12:48 PM, GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr> wrote:
> >
> > =EF=BB
> > Le 14/02/2023 ?? 20:36, William Daniell a ??crit??:
> >> I had the same issue - Bob Nickolls said that the charge light system
> in t
> he??Ducati regulator??is very??primitive and not to pay attention.?? ??A
> rel
> iable voltmeter is required.??
> >> Eventually??my charge light went out by itself.?? The??battery charged
> ju
> st fine while it was on.
> >
> > William and all,
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > First measure actual voltages.
> >
> > Yes Bob Nuckolls on http://www.aeroelectric.com/ and on the 'List is
> key.
> >
> > --
> > Best regards
> > Gilles
> > http://contrails.free.fr
> > http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
>
> ________________________________ Message 10
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is
> cold.
> From: "n7188u" <chmgarb@gmail.com>
>
>
> All very good info. Thanks. A couple of comments:
>
> - I have balanced carbs at 3500 and agree found it to work well. But there
> is so
> much info out there. Some say better at lower RPM, some at higher. And
> since
> Rotax doesn't say, well, here we are. I tried at the lower range this time.
>
> - I saw your O2 setup a while back Area-51. And I like it. But heard that
> having
> the sensor too close to the pipe exit can cause outside air to mix with the
> exhaust and produce erroneous readings. But your solution is certainly
> attractive.
> Who sells that short adapter to mount the O2 sensor and coupling hoses?
>
> - The info from dmac7 is very interesting. These issues I am having
> started this
> winter (well, if you can call it that in Florida). But we do get winter
> fuel
> here too. Per Lockwood, he says winter fuels are terrible for our use.
> Maybe
> that is the culprit and the solution is to retune carbs during winter. I
> have
> to do the same on my 503 powered Kolb (24 years old now) but since that is
> second
> nature and expected in the 2-stroker I never had issues.
>
> I will fly with this new tuning setup and will report back at some time in
> the
> future.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=510174#510174
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on
> From: Martin Tuck <MJKTuck@cs.com>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Assuming you are a subscriber to RotaxOwner.com, the video can be found
> under Videos: 912 Videos: Charging System Troubleshooting.
>
> https://www.rotax-owner.com/en/videos-topmenu/rotax-minute/404-charging
>
> Regards,
> Martin Tuck
>
>
> On 2/14/2023 11:44 AM, Paul Mansfield wrote:
> > Which video Martin (link or vid ref number)?
> >
> > I thought I'd watched them all, but don't recall one on Reg/Rec or
> > charging troubleshooting...!
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Paul M
> > G-PLPM
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Martin Tuck <mjktuck@cs.com>
> > Date: 14/02/2023 16:30 (GMT+00:00)
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: No charge lamp stays on
> >
> > Thanks Giles,
> >
> > I havent done anything to the aircraft since the last time I flew and
> > all seemed well then. I found a good video on troubleshooting the
> > system on the Rotax Owners site so Ill be looking to perform those
> > checks and see what might be going on.
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 14, 2023, at 5:07 AM, GTH <gilles.thesee@free.fr> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 14/02/2023 ?? 03:26, Martin Tuck a ??crit??:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Folks,
> >>>
> >>> <Charge lamp issue>/
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Martin,
> >>
> >> I'd first check actual voltages with a reliable voltmeter, then
> >> perform a serious check of the wiring and connections.
> >>
> >> Did your alternator charge before? Did you disconnect/connect
> >> /anything / since last time you ran the engine with no issues?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards
> >> Gilles
> >> http://contrails.free.fr
> >> http://lapierre.skunkworks.free.fr
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Subject: Europa-List: Anyone need a McMaster Carr Catalog?
> From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@hotmail.com>
>
>
> Hi Group
> Anyone need a McMaster Carr Catalog? I have a few spares.
> Ron P.
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>
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> Subject: Europa-List: Re: New engine runs a little rough when weather is
> cold.
> From: "Area-51" <goldsteinindustrial@gmail.com>
>
>
> Chris, the setup i just bought the bits off fleabay and made one; the case
> is 3D
> printed in PETG with two velcro securing straps and the T'piece for the
> sensor
> i had to custom drill and tap to suit... i can make more units ready to use
> out of the box, and they would be around $600 Aud plus postage; the unit
> can
> be used in the cockpit during flight testing for specific altitudes tests
> also
> and has self contained battery power or plug into 12v supply and
> recharging.
> The tail pipe fitting length negates proximity contamination to external
> atmospheric
> air and fits 36mm - 40mm tail pipe sizes with provision for safety cable
> attachment should the T'piece depart during flight.
>
> Balancing carbis at 3500/4000 etc is fine however its a lazy way of going
> about
> it and will only offer Intermediate range tuning, so that would be needle
> height
> adjustment only. Adjusting mixtures and butterflies for smooth idle are
> best
> achieved at the lowest possible rpm (operational idle rpm is set
> afterward);
> have had triple SU Aston Martin DB3's happily idling at 150rpm while
> setting
> mixtures... SU and Stromberg CV tuning method would be the most
> appropriate applied
> approach for Bing64 series. The only other point to note is symmetry of
> needle height position; if they are not the same height on each carbi and
> your
> tuning is complete then you have an issue remaining either an air leak,
> high
> or low float level, or unbalanced butterfly valves; take everything back
> to default
> and start again to find the reason for rich or lean side.
>
> Seasonal changes in specific gravity of fuels will alter the tuning
> slightly on
> cold startups as it affects the barometric vaporisation point of the fuel
> (for
> Darwinian safety reasons modern pump gas is designed not to vaporise, its
> designed
> to be sprayed and atomised at high pressure). Avgas however will readily
> vaporise and has a specific barometric vaporisation point that must be
> deliverable
> and adhered to to prevent vapor locking up to a specified pressure and
> temperature.
>
> Bud might offer a better explanation as i never cease to expect everybody
> to just
> automatically know all this stuff!
>
>
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