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RE: Europa-List: Are Vne and Va IAS or TAS?

Subject: RE: Europa-List: Are Vne and Va IAS or TAS?
From: ivanshaw@btinternet.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:21:35
All our company aircraft were tested to Vd, 10% over Vne. And not just 
taken to the speed but then tested [short stick and rudder raps] to see 
if any flutter mode could be excited at Vd. I have performed these tests 
at/up to 8000ft . We have never experienced any flutter mode. I also 
tested the tail plane underbalanced and over balanced with the same 
results. To my knowledge we have not had any reported flutter incidence 
on the entire fleet. As you mentioned Pete did exceed Vd on a few 
occasions.


Ivan


From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ward
Sent: 04 January 2018 22:01
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Are Vne and Va IAS or TAS?


I am sure Peter Clark would have done those manoeuvres in the flight 
testing.  Must look at his notes again.

Tim 

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Tim Ward

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On 5/01/2018, at 10:43 AM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com 
<mailto:peterz@zutrasoft.com> > wrote:

Great article Will, thx!


I wonder now how the europa was tested wrt Vne and if Vd was tested/is 
specified, if there is a IAS/density altitude table, and if the the 
published Vne is structural or flutter?


Is Ivan lurking? ;-)


Cheers,

Pete


On Jan 3, 2018, at 7:23 AM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com 
<mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> > wrote:

Pete


I found this 
http://www.australianflying.com.au/news/vne-and-flutter-explained


What do you think think?


Will


William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744


On Jan 1, 2018 22:19, "William Daniell" <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com 
<mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> > wrote:

Mmmm....why the difference?  The way I read the article it says that TAS 
is the critical value.   For most pilot this discussion is irrelevant 
because the real issue occurs at altitude.  However since we all fly 
here regularly at over 12k often in mountain turbulence this is very 
relevant.


Anyway luckily my dynon shows IAS TAS and GS and for now I'll stick with 
TAS as the key value.


William Daniell
LONGPORT
+57 310 295 0744


On Jan 1, 2018 21:43, "Pete" <peterz@zutrasoft.com 
<mailto:peterz@zutrasoft.com> > wrote:

Oops.... I mis-stated.  VNE=TAS. Va=IAS


On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com 
<mailto:peterz@zutrasoft.com> > wrote:

TAS from my research.

https://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/hp_limts.pdf


Cheers,

Pete


On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:15 PM, William Daniell <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com 
<mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com> > wrote:

I seem to recall a discussion on this but I can't find it on the list.


At 12000 ft DA at which I was flying today, the difference is between 
IAS and TAS is 20 kts or roughly 20%.


Thanks in advance Will



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