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Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Electrics on a Europa.
From: Brian Davies <brian.davies@clara.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 10:23:29
Alan,


You have some good advice from Bud but if you do not have a multimeter 
or a wiring diagram it will be difficult to trouble shoot using normal 
electrical processes.  The alternative is to make a few basic checks 
which can be done with no electrical knowledge or electrical test 
equipment..


There is a possibility that the alternator supply is insufficient to 
support the loads that you are applying.  Based on previous field 
experience the part that gives most trouble is the regulator.  Most 
owners don=99t change the firewall forward part of the electrical 
system so the standard Rotax electrical diagram, available in their 
manual, or the Europa Build Manual basic electrical diagram should give 
you some guidance.  The alternator supply should be protected by a large 
fuse or circuit breaker. Track it down and check physically if it is 
tripped/ blown.  You don=99t need a meter for this.  Then check 
all of the connections to the regulator.  They are automotive spade 
connections, normally inside a plastic plug.  Check all of the 
connections are free of corrosion and are tight.  Next check the earth 
connection on the body of the regulator.  Remove and clean the earth 
connection.  Next take a deep breath and buy a replacement regulator. If 
it does not fix it you now have a spare for when yours does fail or you 
can sell it to someone who has had a regulator failure and is desperate 
for a replacement.


If you are still in trouble you will now need to become an aviation 
electrical engineer and start proper trouble shooting as described by 
many posters.


Good luck!


Regards


Brian Davies


From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bud Yerly
Sent: 06 September 2015 00:17
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Electrics on a Europa.


Alan, 

A good schematic is worth its weight in gold for troubleshooting.  


Good advice from all on the charging.  It should be about 13.7 volts at 
5000 RPM below 15-18 amps draw.


I start by pulling all the circuit breakers on the ground.  Measure the 
bat voltage with a volt meter then turn on the master.  Check which 
components come on with the master ( those items not on CBs).


The master contactor can draw one amp.  Look up your solenoid specs.


You need to use a VTVM or amp/ volt/ohm meter to check amp draw as you 
flip on components.


Next, ensure your C or control voltage reads battery voltage.  Look to 
see your alternator to panel or battery contact is secure.


Then start pushing in CBs to assess.  Make a list of the components on 
each of your CBs and their draw if you can.  As an example, a turn and 
slip going bad can be troublesome as the flag doesn't show but it is 
burning up amps instead of running at less than an amp.


In my opinion, the only way to check the health of your electrical 
system in flight is with a volt and amp meter.   You may want to invest 
in one.  Westach makes a nice combo instrument.


Keep plugging away you'll find the cause.


Bud Yerly,

Custom Flight Creations, Inc.


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On Aug 31, 2015 10:43 AM, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:

<alancarteresq@onetel.net>

Hi , Bob, Peter.
I have no low voltage warning light just a voltmeter,
The problem is that in cruise my with all my panel working, that's the 
T/Co- odinator, TCU, FlyDat Engine inst,, 1 Fuel Pump, 1 Strobe Lt,
Skyforce GPS, Transponder, Radio,
I get about 12.1 volts showing, 
Pull all the CBs and you  get a little more showing.

Now if you switch the MASTER SWITCH OFF, it fly's up to 13.1 volts.
I take it now that the Alternator has taken over the supply to the fuel 
pump
provided its turned ON. 
So with the Master switch off and 13+ volts coming out it does not look 
like being the Alternator or Rectifier, wear is the power going ?????

12v is not enough to maintain a full battery
Have bought a new battery ,but the old one is as good as the new one, so 
it not the battery.

Alan


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