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Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 19:52:00
Gidday Karl,
With reference to these radiator issues, could I please ask if you have 
any photos of your setup that you could beam over so that I can keep 
them stockpiled till I install my engine, sometime in 2015? I have a 
914, and all this talk of hoses melting surprises me that Europa aren=92t 
circulating something. There appears to be a lot of informal adjustment 
to avoid this issue, even involving those in the UK who have to build 
apparently to the letter of the law, but, if they had, it seems that 
there would have been more problems than there apparently have been. 
Still, it seem like there is an omission regarding this, or at least a 
lack of ongoing overseeing by Europa, or am I wrong? 
Regards
Tony Renshaw

> On 4 Dec 2014, at 12:03 am, Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Another precaution you might want to consider is to use a combination 
of silicone hose and aluminium tube for the two lines to/from the 
radiator. You can obtain both from autosiliconehoses.com 
<http://autosiliconehoses.com/> in the UK. They also have angle pieces 
so you can make up any shape including  the 180 degree U-shape.
> But I don't understand where your hose is so close to the muffler, 
when the rad is at the back.
> My setup is now altogether different as I positioned a custom made 
radiator to the front of the engine between the two exhaust pipes, at a 
45 degree angle.  
> 
> From: markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au 
<mailto:markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au>
> To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 18:41:46 +1000
> 
> Thank you for your replies. I am back at work at the moment so I won=92t
 be able to get back out to look at till next week.  Will definitely 
look at the option of moving the radiators back.  I=92m not too keen on 
sleeving or shielding and leaving it in the position it is so close to 
the muffler.  I think I might have to move it away as far as I can and 
Shield it then.  I agree that if Europa knew about it in the past they 
should pass it on to other builders even if it only happens with some 
cases.  I=92m sure I would have made this modification as a 
precautionary  process if i had known. 
> Regards,
> Mark
>  
>  
>  
> From: Kevin Challis <mailto:cakeykev@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 9:03 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Muffler melted hole in Radiator hose
>  
> Yes it happened to my Tri gear luckily my friend was flying it. 
>  
> The hose had been protected by thermo sleeve (sliver coated material). 

>  
> It still burnt through.
>  
> The engine cooked and 4 heads and 3 barrels replaced which costs a 
fortune. 
>  
> I moved the radiator and oil cooler back as far as possible which has 
left sufficient space now. 
> 
> Kevin Challis 
>  
> 


> On 2 Dec 2014, at 07:17, <markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au 
<mailto:markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au>> 
<markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au 
<mailto:markandrhonda@harveyfarm.net.au>> wrote:
> 
> I have a xs tri gear with a 912s ready to fly[almost]. It has 5.3 
hours on the clock. Two days ago I was setting the pitch stops on the 
prop when I lost most of the coolant. The starboard radiator hose had a 
hole melted through it from the muffler. The hose is only about 10mm to 
15mm away from the muffler.  Has any one had this happen and if so how 
do you prevent it form happening again. Luckily it happened on the 
ground and not on the first flight or any other for that matter.
>  
> Regards Mark
> QLD Australia    
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